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SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
FOR THE COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES
DEPARTMENT 107 HON. MICHAEL E. PASTOR, JUDGE
THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF )
CALIFORNIA, )
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PLAINTIFF, )
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VS. ) NO. SA073164
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CONRAD ROBERT MURRAY, )
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DEFENDANT. )
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REPORTER'S TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS
MARCH 9, 2011
APPEARANCES:
FOR THE PEOPLE: STEVE COOLEY, DISTRICT ATTORNEY
BY: DAVID WALGREN, DEPUTY
DEBORAH BRAZIL, DEPUTY
210 WEST TEMPLE STREET
LOS ANGELES, CA 90012
FOR THE DEFENDANT: FLANAGAN, UNGER & GROVER
BY: J. MICHAEL FLANAGAN
1156 N. BRAND BOULEVARD
GLENDALE, CA 91202-2582
NAREG GOURJIAN, ESQ.
GOURJIAN LAW GROUP, P.C.
101 N. BRAND BLVD., SUITE 1220
GLENDALE, CA 91203
REPORTED BY: MAVIS THEODOROU, CSR #2812
OFFICIAL REPORTER
1
1 CASE NO.: SA073164-01
2 CASE NAME: PEOPLE VS. CONRAD MURRAY
3 LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA WEDNESDAY, MARCH 9, 2011
4 DEPARTMENT 107 HON. MICHAEL E. PASTOR, JUDGE
5 REPORTER:
6 TIME: 1:40 P.M.
7 APPEARANCES:
8 DEFENDANT CONRAD ROBERT MURRAY, NOT PRESENT,
9 REPRESENTED BY J. MICHAEL FLANAGAN, ESQ., AND
10 NAREG GOURJIAN, ESQ.; PEOPLE REPRESENTED BY
11 DAVID WALGREN AND DEBORAH BRAZIL, DEPUTIES
12 DISTRICT ATTORNEY, FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE
13 STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
14
15 THE COURT: ON THE CASE OF PEOPLE VERSUS CONRAD
16 ROBERT MURRAY, DR. MURRAY IS NOT PRESENT. HE IS
17 REPRESENTED BY HIS TWO COUNSEL, MR. FLANAGAN AND MR.
18 GOURJIAN. THE PEOPLE ARE REPRESENTED BY THEIR TWO
19 COUNSEL, MR. WALGREN AND MS. BRAZIL.
20 AND, MR. FLANAGAN, THERE IS A CONTINUING
21 WAIVER OF DR. MURRAY'S PRESENCE PURSUANT TO 977 OF THE
22 CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE?
23 MR. FLANAGAN: YES, YOUR HONOR.
24 THE COURT: THANK YOU.
25 DO WE HAVE AN UPDATED STATUS AS TO ONGOING
26 DISCOVERY AND OTHER ISSUES?
27 MR. WALGREN: WE DO, YOUR HONOR.
28 THE COURT: MR. WALGREN?
1 MR. WALGREN: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.
2 THE COURT: GOOD AFTERNOON.
3 MR. WALGREN: GOOD AFTERNOON, YOUR HONOR.
4 WE PROVIDED DEFENSE COUNSEL SOME ADDITIONAL
5 DISCOVERY TODAY AS IT RELATES TO ADDITIONAL WITNESS
6 INTERVIEWS, FINGERPRINTS, AND UPDATED C.V.'S OF EXPERTS.
7 ADDITIONALLY, DEFENSE COUNSEL PROVIDED US
8 REPORTS OF TWO OF THEIR EXPERTS.
9 I BELIEVE THERE ARE STILL QUITE A FEW
10 WITNESSES FROM THE DEFENSE WITNESS LIST WHERE THE
11 DISCOVERY IS OUTSTANDING, BUT WE HAVE RECEIVED THOSE TWO
12 EXPERT REPORTS TODAY.
13 THE COURT: WHAT IS THE PEOPLE'S POSITION AS TO
14 WHETHER THE DEFENSE IN GOOD FAITH IS COMPLYING WITH ITS
15 DISCOVERY OBLIGATIONS?
16 MR. WALGREN: I THINK THE QUESTION IS, AGAIN, THESE
17 REPORTS WERE IMPORTANT FOR THE PEOPLE TO GET, SO WE ARE
18 HAPPY TO GET THESE EXPERT REPORTS.
19 THE SHEER NUMBER OF WITNESSES ON THEIR
20 WITNESS LIST THAT IS STILL LACKING ANY DISCOVERY IS WHAT
21 CONCERNS THE PEOPLE. I DON'T KNOW IF THE DEFENSE SIMPLY
22 HAS NOT INTERVIEWED THOSE PEOPLE YET, OR IF THEY ARE IN
23 THE PROCESS OF DOCUMENTING THOSE INTERVIEWS. WE SIMPLY
24 DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO DISCUSS IT. I DON'T KNOW THE
25 STATUS OF THE OTHER WITNESSES.
26 THE COURT: MAY I TURN IT TO MR. FLANAGAN. YOUR
27 POSITION ON DISCOVERY ISSUES?
28 MR. FLANAGAN: WE HAVE GIVEN UP EVERY STATEMENT
1 THAT WE HAVE, YOUR HONOR. I JUST GAVE THEM TWO MEDICAL
2 REPORTS TODAY. ONE, I THINK, IS DATED MARCH 3RD. THE
3 OTHER IS DATED MARCH 8. WE JUST RECEIVED THOSE. I HAVE
4 TURNED THEM OVER. THESE MIGHT BE THE ONLY TWO MEDICAL
5 WITNESSES THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE IN THIS CASE UNLESS
6 WE CAN GET THE CORONER'S OFFICE TO TURN OVER SOME SLIDES
7 AND ALLOW US TO INSPECT WHAT THEY HAVE.
8 I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET AHOLD OF ELISSA FLEAK
9 FOR TWO WEEKS. I HAVEN'T GOT A RETURN CALL. MAYBE SHE
10 IS ON VACATION. I DON'T KNOW.
11 BUT WE HAVE ONE OTHER MEDICAL WITNESS THAT
12 CAN'T RENDER AN OPINION UNTIL HE SEES THE INFORMATION
13 THAT IS IN THE POSSESSION OF THE CORONER'S OFFICE. YOU
14 KNOW, WE HAVE PRETTY MUCH GIVEN THEM EVERYTHING WE HAVE
15 GOT AND WHAT WE ARE GOING TO GO WITH.
16 I UNDERSTAND FROM MR. WALGREN THAT HE HAS
17 SENT OUT INFORMATION TO TWO OTHER MEDICAL WITNESSES. WE
18 DON'T HAVE ANY REPORTS AS TO WHAT TYPE OF MEDICAL
19 WITNESSES, DON'T KNOW THEIR NAMES, DON'T KNOW THEIR
20 SPECIALTY, DON'T HAVE A CLUE AS TO WHAT THEY WILL TESTIFY
21 TO. AND WE HAVE GIVEN MR. WALGREN EVERYTHING WE HAVE GOT
22 ON MEDICAL WITNESSES.
23 THE COURT: WHAT EXACTLY IS THAT?
24 MR. FLANAGAN: WELL, WE RETAINED AN EXPERT NAMED
25 PAUL WHITE.
26 THE COURT: DR. WHITE'S NAME HAS COME UP. THAT WAS
27 ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS MEMORIALIZING WHAT WOULD FORM THE
28 BASIS FOR DR. WHITE'S OPINION.
1 MR. FLANAGAN: I NORMALLY DON'T EVEN REQUEST A
2 REPORT FROM A WITNESS BECAUSE IT CAUSES US INCREASED
3 EXPENSE. HOWEVER, I DID SUPPLY THEM A REPORT FROM DR.
4 WHITE WITH A NEW UPDATED C.V. FROM HIM.
5 AND I ALSO PROVIDED THEM WITH A REPORT, ABOUT
6 15 OR 16-PAGE REPORT, FROM A DR. HARASZTI, AN ADDICTION
7 EXPERT AND PHARMACOLOGIST. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE
8 GOING TO HAVE ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT TO GO WITH AT THE
9 TIME OF TRIAL RIGHT NOW, UNLESS WE CAN GET AN EXPERT TO
10 ACTUALLY BE IN A POSITION TO LOOK AT THE CORONER'S
11 EVIDENCE.
12 THE COURT: YOU ARE INDICATING YOU HAVE MADE
13 EFFORTS TO CONTACT MS. FLEAK, AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN
14 SUCCESSFUL. HAVE YOU CALLED THE CORONER -- THE
15 CORONER -- AND SAID, "WE ARE TRYING TO GET SOME
16 INFORMATION FROM YOUR OFFICE," AND YOU DON'T SEEM TO BE
17 GETTING A SATISFACTORY RESPONSE?
18 MR. FLANAGAN: WELL, I'M GOING TO DO THAT. WHAT
19 HAPPENED -- I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN OTHER MEDICAL
20 REPORTS.
21 THE COURT: I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. YOU
22 MEAN --
23 MR. FLANAGAN: THERE ARE TWO OTHER DOCTORS THAT ARE
24 BEING CONSULTED BY THE PROSECUTION, APPARENTLY. I'D LIKE
25 TO KNOW, I THINK I'D BE ENTITLED TO KNOW NOW, MAYBE THE
26 IDENTITY, WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE PREPARED A REPORT OR
27 REVIEWED THE DOCUMENTATION.
28 I'D LIKE TO KNOW KIND OF WHAT WE ARE UP
1 AGAINST IN TERMS OF SPECIALTY AND WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT
2 EVIDENCE THEY HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO REVIEW. I HAVE
3 PROVIDED THE PROSECUTION WITH ALL THAT STUFF.
4 THE COURT: IT IS DEFENSE POSITION THAT AS OF THIS
5 DATE, YOU ARE NOT ANTICIPATING CALLING MORE THAN TWO
6 MEDICAL EXPERTS?
7 MR. FLANAGAN: TWO. MAYBE THREE.
8 THE COURT: AND YOU HAVE GIVEN THE APPROPRIATE
9 INFORMATION AS TO DRS. WHITE AND, IS IT, HARASZTI?
10 MR. FLANAGAN: YES.
11 THE COURT: IS THERE SOMEONE ELSE OUT THERE WHO
12 SHOULD BE ON THE LIST?
13 MR. FLANAGAN: THERE IS ANOTHER DOCTOR THAT IS A
14 CORONER FROM GALVESTON THAT CANNOT -- MR. CHERNOFF IS IN
15 TOUCH WITH HIM, AND HE DOESN'T -- IT IS A POTENTIAL
16 WITNESS FROM CANADA, TOO. BUT THEY CANNOT RENDER
17 OPINIONS. THEY JUST WANTED TO SEE THE SLIDES OF THE
18 EXAMINATION OF MR. JACKSON.
19 THE COURT: I WOULD THINK, BY NOW, WE WOULD BE
20 FURTHER ALONG. AND THAT IF MS. FLEAK IS NOT AROUND,
21 THERE MAY BE REASONS. SHE MAY BE ILL. SHE MAY BE ON
22 VACATION. SHE MAY NOT BE ANSWERING HER PHONE, BUT THERE
23 ARE A LOT OF OTHER MEMBERS OF THE CORONER'S OFFICE WHO I
24 WOULD THINK COULD ACCOMMODATE YOU.
25 DO THE PEOPLE HAVE ANY INFORMATION?
26 MR. WALGREN: NO, BUT I DID OFFER TO MR. FLANAGAN
27 FOLLOWING THIS HEARING THAT I COULD PUT SOME CALLS IN TO
28 CHECK ON HER STATUS, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL
1 INFORMATION AT THIS TIME.
2 THE COURT: DO THE PEOPLE WANT TO RESPOND ON MR.
3 FLANAGAN'S EXPRESSION OF CONCERN REGARDING SOME POSSIBLE
4 ADDITIONAL PEOPLE'S WITNESSES?
5 MR. WALGREN: I CAN RESPOND REGARDING THE PEOPLE'S
6 WITNESSES, YOUR HONOR. BUT I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT
7 AGAIN THAT, BY OUR CALCULATION OF THE DISCOVERY THAT HAS
8 BEEN PROVIDED, INCLUDING THE TWO REPORTS TODAY, THERE ARE
9 OUTSTANDING 80 WITNESSES ON THE WITNESS LIST FOR WHICH WE
10 DO NOT HAVE ANY DEFENSE DISCOVERY.
11 SO IF THE DEFENSE -- I BELIEVE WE HAVE ABOUT
12 NINE CHARACTER WITNESSES AS FAR AS DISCOVERY, AND I
13 BELIEVE WE HAVE THE TWO REPORTS PROVIDED TODAY WHICH
14 WOULD LEAVE ABOUT 80 WITNESSES FOR WHICH WE HAVE NOT
15 RECEIVED ANY EVIDENCE.
16 SO IF THEY HAVEN'T BEEN TALKED TO AND THEY
17 ARE NOT BEING CALLED, THAT IS ONE ISSUE. IF THESE ARE
18 WITNESSES THAT THE DEFENSE EXPECTS TO TALK TO AND CALL AS
19 WITNESSES, THAT IS A LARGE AMOUNT OF DISCOVERY
20 OUTSTANDING AND HIGHLIGHTS AGAIN SOME OF OUR CONCERNS
21 ABOUT THE NEED FOR 402'S IN REGARD TO A LOT OF THESE
22 WITNESSES.
23 THE COURT: MR. FLANAGAN, THERE IS A GREAT
24 VARIATION BETWEEN THE NUMBER OF WITNESSES WHO MAY BE
25 LISTED AS POTENTIAL WITNESSES AND DISCOVERY COMPLIANCE.
26 MR. FLANAGAN: AS I SAID LAST TIME, WE HAD ABOUT 30
27 CHARACTER WITNESSES AS POTENTIAL WITNESSES. I THINK WE
28 HAVE GIVEN STATEMENTS, I THINK IT IS NINE, AND WE HAVE
1 LIMITED THE 30 CHARACTER WITNESSES TO THOSE NINE THAT WE
2 HAVE ALREADY GIVEN.
3 THE COURT: SO IS IT THE DEFENSE POSITION THEN THAT
4 AS TO SO-CALLED CHARACTER WITNESS TESTIMONY, THAT YOU
5 HAVE MET YOUR DISCOVERY OBLIGATIONS --
6 MR. FLANAGAN: YES.
7 THE COURT: -- AS TO ANTICIPATED WITNESSES?
8 MR. FLANAGAN: YES.
9 THE COURT: NINE?
10 MR. FLANAGAN: YES.
11 THE COURT: NOT TEN, NOT 30?
12 MR. FLANAGAN: MR. WALGREN SAYS HE HAS STATEMENTS
13 FROM NINE, AND WE TOLD HIM LAST WEEK WE ARE LIMITING OUR
14 POTENTIAL TESTIMONY TO WHATEVER STATEMENTS WE HAVE GIVEN
15 HIM.
16 AS FAR AS A LOT OF THESE WITNESSES, PROBABLY
17 50 OF THEM ARE ALL IN THE POLICE REPORT. AS A MATTER OF
18 FACT, WE HAVE SUBPOENAED LINTEMOOT. WE HAVE SUBPOENAED
19 FU FROM THE CORONER'S OFFICE. WE HAVE SUBPOENAED ROMO
20 FROM SANTA BARBARA SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE
21 SUBPOENAED A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WE REALLY WOULD DEEM THEM
22 HOSTILE.
23 FU WAS AN ANALYST. THEY KNOW WHO HE IS. WE
24 HAVE SUBPOENAED HIM. WE HAVE PUT HIM ON FOUR-HOUR CALL.
25 WE HAVE GOT NOW SUBPOENAS TO ABOUT 35 PEOPLE.
26 WE HAVE TALKED TO MOST OF THEM. SOME OF THEM ARE FAIRLY
27 HOSTILE. WE ARE TRYING TO SUBPOENA ALL THE SECURITY
28 PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE AT THE HOUSE THAT DAY. THESE ARE
1 NOT PEOPLE THAT WE ARE GOING TO TALK TO, BUT THEY HAVE
2 GIVEN STATEMENTS TO THE PROSECUTION IN THE PAST.
3 THE COURT: IT IS ONE THING TO SAY, "THESE PEOPLE
4 ARE POTENTIAL DEFENSE WITNESSES. WE HAVE NO STATEMENTS
5 FROM THEM. WE DON'T ANTICIPATE HAVING ANY STATEMENTS
6 FROM THEM AT THIS TIME AND ARE GOING TO BE RELYING UPON
7 WHAT THEY TOLD THE PROSECUTOR."
8 AND THE SAME THING WITH THE PEOPLE. IF THEY
9 HAVE SUBPOENAED SOMEONE, THEY SAY, "THIS IS A WITNESS AND
10 THESE ARE THE ONLY STATEMENTS WE HAVE."
11 WE NEED CLARITY IN TERMS OF WITNESSES IN
12 TERMS OF WHETHER THE DEFENSE AND THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO
13 BE PROCEEDING ON THE BASIS OF THE DISCOVERY ALREADY
14 PROVIDED OR WHETHER THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE OUT THERE.
15 SO I THINK FOR OUR NEXT --
16 MR. FLANAGAN: WE ARE ESSENTIALLY PROCEEDING ON
17 WHAT WE HAVE PROVIDED, BUT YOUR HONOR'S INQUIRY IS ONLY
18 TO ME.
19 THE COURT: NO. I ALSO ASKED THE PEOPLE.
20 MR. FLANAGAN: WHAT ABOUT THEY HAVE TWO MEDICAL
21 WITNESSES. THEY HAVE TWO MEDICAL WITNESSES THAT THEY ARE
22 INTERVIEWING. WE NOT ONLY DON'T HAVE A STATEMENT FROM
23 THEM, WE DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND I HAVEN'T HEARD YOU
24 ADDRESSING THAT PROBLEM.
25 THE COURT: I DIDN'T GET TO THAT POINT YET, MR.
26 FLANAGAN. YOU ARE GETTING VERY DEFENSIVE ON THE ISSUES.
27 I CAN ONLY DEAL WITH ONE AT A TIME. I'VE ASKED ABOUT
28 COMPLIANCE WITH DISCOVERY, AND I WAS ASKING THE PEOPLE
1 ABOUT THEIR TAKE, AND THEN I WAS ASKING YOU ABOUT YOUR
2 TAKE.
3 AND YOU HAVE RAISED THE ISSUES OF YOUR
4 COMPLIANCE WITH YOUR DISCOVERY OBLIGATIONS, AND THEN YOU
5 HAVE JUST POINTED OUT THAT THERE ARE TWO ADDITIONAL
6 POTENTIAL PEOPLE'S WITNESSES OUT THERE. I CAN ONLY DEAL
7 WITH ONE THING AT A TIME.
8 RIGHT NOW, I'M INTERESTED IN YOUR COMPLIANCE
9 WITH YOUR DISCOVERY OBLIGATIONS, AND THEN I'LL BE HAPPY
10 TO ASK THE PEOPLE TO RESPOND TO THE LAST ISSUES YOU RAISE
11 AND I DID AND I DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER.
12 SO YOU SAID NINE CHARACTER WITNESSES, AND YOU
13 HAVE COMPLIED WITH YOUR DISCOVERY OBLIGATIONS WITH REGARD
14 TO THOSE, CORRECT?
15 MR. FLANAGAN: YES.
16 THE COURT: SO FAR, TWO MEDICAL/FORENSIC EXPERTS,
17 AND YOU HAVE PROVIDED OF ALL THE DISCOVERY YOU HAVE?
18 MR. FLANAGAN: YES.
19 THE COURT: POTENTIALLY TWO OTHER MEDICAL/FORENSIC
20 EXPERTS WHO ARE AWAITING INFORMATION FROM THE CORONER'S
21 OFFICE?
22 MR. FLANAGAN: RIGHT.
23 THE COURT: WHAT ABOUT ANY OTHER CIVILIAN
24 WITNESSES, MEDICAL, FORENSIC, LAW ENFORCEMENT WITNESSES
25 OUT THERE?
26 MR. FLANAGAN: WE ARE STILL ATTEMPTING TO
27 INTERVIEW. WE DO NOT ANTICIPATE TAKING ANY FURTHER
28 STATEMENTS, BUT WE ARE STILL TRYING TO GET CONVERSATIONS
1 AND INTERVIEWS WITH OTHER WITNESSES WHO WE WOULD DEEM TO
2 BE SOMEWHAT HOSTILE. AND WHEN WE DO INTERVIEW THOSE, THE
3 NOTES OF THE INTERVIEWS WILL BE PROVIDED IF THEY CONSENT
4 TO AN INTERVIEW.
5 THE COURT: SO THE 35 SUBPOENAS THAT YOU HAVE SENT
6 ARE TO WITNESSES WHO ARE ON THE PEOPLE'S LIST, AND YOU
7 ARE SENDING OUT THE SUBPOENAS BASED UPON THE DISCOVERY
8 YOU RECEIVED FROM THE PEOPLE, NOT UPON ANY OF YOUR OWN
9 DISCOVERY?
10 MR. FLANAGAN: YES.
11 THE COURT: NOW, MR. WALGREN, MR. FLANAGAN HAS
12 RAISED THIS ISSUE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE DEALT EXPRESSLY
13 WITH THE ISSUE OF TWO POTENTIAL PEOPLE'S EXPERTS.
14 MR. WALGREN: YES, YOUR HONOR. MR. FLANAGAN
15 INQUIRED OF ME IN THE HALLWAY BEFORE THE HEARING IF WE
16 WERE GOING TO HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL EXPERTS. I INDICATED I
17 SENT A PACKAGE OF MATERIALS TO ONE MEDICAL EXPERT. I HAD
18 NO SUBSTANTIVE INTERVIEW WHATSOEVER. HE IS ANALYZING IT
19 AND IS NOT A WITNESS AT THIS POINT I CAN REPRESENT WE
20 INTEND TO CALL AT TRIAL. IT IS TOO PREMATURE.
21 AND I DO NOT HAVE ANY DISCOVERY ON HIM, BUT I
22 EXPECT TO HAVE A REPORT OR A RESPONSE OF HIS AVAILABILITY
23 WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO, AND WE WILL CERTAINLY COMPLY
24 WITH ALL DISCOVERY AND TURN IT OVER IMMEDIATELY,
25 CONSISTENT WITH OUR DISCOVERY OBLIGATIONS.
26 THE SECOND WITNESS HE IS EVIDENTLY REFERRING
27 TO, AS I SAID, WE MAY SEND OUT MATERIALS TO AN ADDITIONAL
28 WITNESS, BUT WE HAVEN'T MADE A DECISION ON THAT. SO
1 THERE IS NOTHING OUTSTANDING. IF WE GET A REPORT, IF
2 THIS EXPERT IS AVAILABLE AND PROVIDES A REPORT, AND IS
3 GOING TO BE A WITNESS, THE PEOPLE WILL CERTAINLY COMPLY
4 AND TURN IT OVER IMMEDIATELY. BUT WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE
5 WITH ALL DISCOVERY OBLIGATIONS.
6 THE COURT: WITH REGARD TO THE TWO POTENTIAL
7 DEFENSE EXPERTS WHO WERE MENTIONED BY MR. FLANAGAN, WOULD
8 YOU THINK MR. FLANAGAN IS IN THE SAME POSITION AS YOU ARE
9 IN TERMS OF REALLY NOT HAVING ANYTHING TO GIVE UP?
10 MR. WALGREN: BASED ON HIS REPRESENTATIONS, YES.
11 THE COURT: I THINK THE PARTIES ARE ON EQUAL
12 FOOTING THEN.
13 WHAT DO YOU THINK, MR. FLANAGAN? THEY DON'T
14 HAVE ANY SPECIFIC INFORMATION, NOR DO YOU.
15 MR. FLANAGAN: I WOULDN'T ADD ANY COMPLAINT ABOUT
16 MR. WALGREN IN THIS CASE ABOUT NOT PROVIDING US THE
17 WITNESSES. I'M SURE HE IS PROCEEDING AS QUICKLY AS HE
18 HAS. WE HAVE GIVEN WHAT WE HAVE GOT. I JUST WANT TO
19 MAKE SURE THAT WE GET WHAT THEY HAVE GOT IN TERMS OF
20 MEDICAL.
21 I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO THIS OTHER POTENTIAL
22 MEDICAL WITNESS IS, AT LEAST KNOW HIS SPECIALTY OR WHAT
23 HE IS GOING TO SAY, BECAUSE IF HE SAYS SOMETHING THAT WE
24 THINK IS NOT TOTALLY CORRECT, WE MIGHT HAVE TO FIND
25 ANOTHER WITNESS AFTER WE GET THAT INFORMATION.
26 THE COURT: MR. WALGREN INDICATES AT THIS TIME YOU
27 SIMPLY DON'T HAVE STATEMENTS.
28 MR. WALGREN: THAT'S CORRECT. WE WILL TURN IT
1 OVER.
2 THE COURT: WE ARE DEALING WITH HYPOTHETICALS, AND
3 THAT IS NOT A BASIS FOR DISCOVERY FOR THE PEOPLE OR THE
4 DEFENSE.
5 I WANT TO CORRECT A MISIMPRESSION IF I GAVE
6 IT. THAT IS, THAT SOMEHOW I'M DENYING ANY SANCTIONS AS
7 TO ANY PARTY IN THIS CASE FOR NONCOMPLIANCE WITH
8 DISCOVERY. I NEVER DENIED SANCTIONS. THE ISSUE OF
9 SANCTIONS POTENTIALLY IS STILL BEFORE THE COURT. SO ANY
10 INFERENCE OR EXPRESSION THAT SOMEHOW I HAVE DENIED
11 IMPOSING SANCTIONS IS SIMPLY NOT CORRECT.
12 THE PARTIES ASKED TO SPEAK WITH ME LAST WEEK.
13 THEY WANTED TO UPDATE DISCOVERY COMPLIANCE, AND I GOT THE
14 CLEAR, DISTINCT IMPRESSION FROM THE PARTIES THAT THEY
15 WERE WORKING ON RESOLVING ANY DISCOVERY RELATED ISSUES
16 AND APPEARED TO BE ACTING IN GOOD FAITH. I ACCEPTED THAT
17 REPRESENTATION, BUT IN NO WAY DOES THAT LEAVE OFF THE
18 HOOK ANY PARTY, EITHER THE PEOPLE OR THE DEFENSE, FROM
19 THE IMPOSITION OF DISCOVERY SANCTIONS IF WE DON'T GET A
20 MOVE.
21 I HAVE JURORS COMING IN TWO WEEKS AND ONE
22 DAY. I HAVE A PROPOSED QUESTIONNAIRE THAT WAS SUBMITTED
23 SOMETIME AGO BY THE DEFENSE. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROPOSED
24 QUESTIONNAIRE SUBMITTED BY THE PEOPLE AND I HAVE TO DRAFT
25 IT. I NEED TO WORK WITH THE JUROR SERVICES
26 REPRESENTATIVES IN TERMS OF PRODUCING AN ACCEPTABLE
27 QUESTIONNAIRE.
28 OBVIOUSLY, THE PARTIES SHOULD HAVE INPUT AND
1 WE SHOULD DISCUSS IT, AND THEN WE SHOULD DEAL WITH IT.
2 WHEN DO THE PEOPLE THINK THEY COULD PROVIDE
3 ME WITH A PROPOSED QUESTIONNAIRE?
4 MR. WALGREN: THE BEGINNING OF NEXT WEEK, YOUR
5 HONOR.
6 THE COURT: HOW ABOUT TUESDAY?
7 MR. WALGREN: THAT IS FINE, YOUR HONOR.
8 THE COURT: TUESDAY, THE 15TH OF MARCH, PLEASE.
9 MR. WALGREN: AND, YOUR HONOR --
10 THE COURT: YOU CAN FILE IT UNDER SEAL --
11 MR. WALGREN: OKAY.
12 THE COURT: -- AS THE DEFENSE PROPOSED
13 QUESTIONNAIRE WAS. AND THE DEFENSE HAS THE OBLIGATION,
14 AS THE PEOPLE DO, TO KEEP THE MATTERS IN THE PROPOSED
15 QUESTIONNAIRE CONFIDENTIAL.
16 MR. WALGREN: AND I KNOW THE COURT HAD INDICATED AT
17 THE PREVIOUS HEARING, HAD INFORMED THE PARTIES THAT THE
18 COURT HAD BEEN WORKING ON A DRAFT OR A PRELIMINARY DRAFT
19 OF ITS OWN. IS THAT SOMETHING THE COURT WOULD SHARE WITH
20 THE PARTIES AT THIS DATE?
21 THE COURT: NO.
22 MR. WALGREN: THANK YOU.
23 THE COURT: I JUST AS SOON HAVE YOUR INPUT BEFORE I
24 GO TO THE NEXT STEP. I'LL BE UTILIZING YOUR PROPOSED
25 QUESTIONS AS WELL AS MY OWN, BUT I RATHER HAVE YOUR INPUT
26 BEFORE I SHOW MY CARDS. I JUST THINK IT IS VERY
27 IMPORTANT THAT WE BE IN A POSITION TO ADDRESS THIS.
28 THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPLICATED MATTERS HAVING TO DO WITH
1 SCHEDULING HERE, AND NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH IS ISSUES IN
2 LIMINE TYPE MOTIONS, AND I DON'T HAVE ANY.
3 SO WHEN NEXT SHOULD WE SET THIS? THE PEOPLE
4 WILL HAVE THEIR QUESTIONNAIRE BY WHAT TIME? NOON, DO YOU
5 THINK, ON TUESDAY, THE 15TH?
6 MR. WALGREN: THAT SOUNDS REASONABLE.
7 THE COURT: MR. FLANAGAN, YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES
8 CAN REVIEW THE MATERIALS. SHOULD WE COME BACK WEDNESDAY
9 OF NEXT WEEK?
10 MR. WALGREN: THAT IS FINE WITH THE PEOPLE, YOUR
11 HONOR.
12 THE COURT: THAT IS ONE WEEK AND ONE DAY BEFORE OF
13 JURY SELECTION. WHAT DO YOU THINK, MR. FLANAGAN?
14 MR. FLANAGAN: THAT IS FINE, YOUR HONOR. MAYBE WE
15 COULD HAVE MEDICAL REPORTS, HOPEFULLY, BY THEN.
16 THE COURT: FROM THE STANDPOINT OF BOTH PARTIES,
17 THE PARTIES HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE IT RAPIDO.
18 MR. FLANAGAN: WE HAD ONE OTHER ISSUE. THAT IS THE
19 SURVEILLANCE TAPES. WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE THE
20 SURVEILLANCE TAPES ON THE HARD DRIVES, WHEREVER THEY ARE,
21 AND WE HAVE NO IDEA WHERE TO GET THEM.
22 MR. WALGREN: ACTUALLY, I HAVE SPOKEN PERSONALLY TO
23 MR. CHERNOFF AND MR. FLANAGAN TODAY, AND I TOLD THEM THAT
24 THEY HAVE ALL THE VIDEO FROM THE SURVEILLANCE TAPE THAT
25 WAS DOWNLOADED. I DID HAVE LAPD DETECTIVES LOOK INTO
26 THIS AND GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM THE SECURITY
27 COMPANY THAT INSTALLED THE SYSTEM TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY
28 AVENUES TO EXPLORE THERE. I EXPECT TO HAVE THE RESULTS
1 OF THAT WITHIN A DAY OR TWO.
2 THE ISSUE IS THAT APPARENTLY THE SECURITY
3 SURVEILLANCE FOOTAGE OR THE SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM WAS NOT
4 THE PROPERTY OR OWNED BY MICHAEL JACKSON OR ANY OF HIS
5 ASSOCIATES. IT WAS A RENTAL HOME, AND THE EQUIPMENT AND
6 INSTALLATION AND EVERYTHING WAS DONE BY THE HOMEOWNER
7 THAT RENTED THIS HOME.
8 SO LAPD HAS BEEN WORKING ON THAT. AS I
9 INDICATED, I EXPECT TO HAVE INFORMATION FOR DEFENSE
10 PROBABLY BY TOMORROW.
11 THE COURT: AGAIN, I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THIS
12 INFORMATION WOULD HAVE BEEN DISCLOSED A LONG, LONG TIME
13 AGO.
14 MR. WALGREN: IT WAS, YOUR HONOR. IT WAS DISCLOSED
15 A YEAR AGO.
16 THE COURT: WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WAS
17 DOWNLOADED, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE RAW MATERIALS THAT WERE IN
18 THE POSSESSION OF THE THIRD PARTY? ARE THEY STILL IN THE
19 POSSESSION OF THE THIRD PARTY?
20 MR. WALGREN: I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I DON'T BELIEVE
21 THEY EXIST ANYWHERE, BUT I HAD LAPD LOOK INTO IT FURTHER
22 SO I COULD GIVE A MORE CONCRETE ANSWER.
23 THE COURT: SO YOU WILL HAVE THAT INFORMATION WHEN?
24 MR. WALGREN: I EXPECT TO HAVE IT TOMORROW.
25 THE COURT: BY 4:00 P.M. TOMORROW, PROVIDE THE
26 INFORMATION TO MR. FLANAGAN. IF THERE IS SOME ISSUE,
27 THEN WE WILL HAVE TO REGROUP SOONER BECAUSE MR. FLANAGAN
28 HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION
1 AS FAR AS HE IS CONCERNED. IF IT EXISTS, IT EXISTS.
2 MR. FLANAGAN: IT COULD BE IMPORTANT. WE DON'T
3 KNOW. WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
4 THE COURT: WELL, YOU WANT IT, AND IT IS NOT IN
5 YOUR POSSESSION.
6 MR. WALGREN?
7 MR. WALGREN: AND IT IS NOT IN OUR POSSESSION. I
8 HAVE TOLD THEM THAT FOR THE LAST YEAR THAT THEY HAVE
9 EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS. I'M LOOKING INTO IT FURTHER, NOT
10 BECAUSE I THINK IT IS GOING TO NECESSARILY RESULT IN
11 ANYTHING BUT JUST SO I COULD GIVE MORE CONCRETE ANSWERS.
12 MY UNDERSTANDING IS LAPD DOWNLOADED WHAT THEY
13 DOWNLOADED. THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE DEFENSE. THAT
14 IS EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS AND IS ALL THAT WILL EVER
15 EXIST, BUT I AM HAVING THEM LOOK INTO IT FURTHER.
16 THE COURT: THE SECURITY SYSTEM APPARENTLY WAS
17 MONITORING THE RESIDENCE ON A 24-HOUR BASIS.
18 MR. WALGREN: THE EXTERIOR.
19 THE COURT: THE EXTERIOR. HOW MANY MINUTES OR
20 HOURS WORTH OF VIDEO HAS BEEN DOWNLOADED? DO WE KNOW?
21 MR. WALGREN: AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY BUT IT IS
22 MINUTES. IT IS MINUTES. I DON'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING
23 THAT IS INACCURATE. I EXPECT TO HAVE INFORMATION
24 TOMORROW.
25 THE COURT: I'VE BEEN CURIOUS, AND I STILL REMAIN
26 CURIOUS ABOUT WHERE IN THE UNIVERSE THE OTHER VIDEO
27 HAPPENS TO BE LOCATED, IF IT IS. MAYBE IT IS NOT. MAYBE
28 IT WAS NEVER RECREATED SOMEWHERE.
1 ANYTHING ELSE, MR. FLANAGAN?
2 MR. FLANAGAN: NO. WHAT TIME WEDNESDAY?
3 THE COURT: WE DIDN'T GET TO THAT POINT. I JUST
4 WANT TO FIND OUT ANYTHING ELSE TODAY, MR. WALGREN?
5 MR. WALGREN: NO.
6 THE COURT: MS. BRAZIL?
7 MS. BRAZIL: NO. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.
8 THE COURT: MR. GOURJIAN?
9 MR. GOURJIAN: NO, YOUR HONOR.
10 THE COURT: HOW ABOUT IN THE MORNING?
11 MR. FLANAGAN: I'M AVAILABLE AT CONVENIENCE OF THE
12 COURT AND MR. WALGREN.
13 THE COURT: I HAVE ANOTHER CASE THAT WILL TAKE A
14 LITTLE BIT OF TIME. TEN O'CLOCK, PLEASE. I HAVE OTHER
15 MATTERS. I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT I'M NOT GETTING
16 TO WORK AT AN EARLIER POINT, BUT THIS CASE MAY TAKE A
17 LITTLE TIME. 10:00 A.M. NEXT WEDNESDAY, WHICH IS THE
18 16TH.
19 MR. WALGREN: FINE WITH THE PEOPLE.
20 MR. FLANAGAN: FINE.
21 THE COURT: SO WE WILL SEE EVERYBODY THEN, AND
22 PLEASE DO BE PROVIDING NECESSARY DISCOVERY. IT REMAINS A
23 CONTINUING OBLIGATION, SUBJECT TO POTENTIAL SANCTIONS,
24 PURSUANT TO ALL THE PROVISIONS OF PENAL CODE SECTION
25 1054.
26 WE ARE IN RECESS. THANK YOU.
27 MR. WALGREN: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.
28 MS. BRAZIL: THANK YOU.
1 (THE PROCEEDINGS WERE CONTINUED
2 TO 10:00 A.M., MARCH 16, 2011.)
далее коротко обо всем)))
нет времени переводить поэтому сама суть))
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ОТДЕЛ 107 HON. судья MICHAEL E. PASTOR
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СТЕНОГРАММА СУДА
9 марта 2011
Выступления:
От НАРОДА: STEVE COOLEY, окружной прокурор
DAVID WALGREN, ЗАМЕСТИТЕЛЬ
DEBORAH BRAZIL, ЗАМЕСТИТЕЛЬ
210 Уэст-Темпл-стрит
ЛОС-АНДЖЕЛЕС, CA 90012
Сторона ответчика: FLANAGAN, UNGER & GROVER
J. MICHAEL FLANAGAN
1156 Н. Бранд Бульвар
GLENDALE, Калифорния 91202-2582
NAREG GOURJIAN, ESQ.
GOURJIAN группового закона, член тайного совета
101 Н. БРЭНД бульвар., SUITE 1220
GLENDALE, Калифорния 91203
Сообщено: MAVIS THEODOROU, CSR #2812
ОФИЦИАЛЬНЫЙ РЕПОРТЕР
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1 CASE NO.: SA073164-01
2 Дело Имя и фамилия: Народ против Конрада Мюррей
3 ЛОС-АНДЖЕЛЕС, КАЛИФОРНИЯ среда, 9 Март 2011
4 Отдел 107 HON. MICHAEL E. PASTOR, судья
5 Докладчик:
6 раз: 1:40 вечера
7 выступлений:
8 ОБВИНЯЕМЫЙ Конрад Роберт Мюррей,отсутствует,
9 представлен J. MICHAEL FLANAGAN, ESQ., И
10NAREG GOURJIAN, ESQ.;. народ в лице
11 DAVID WALGREN и DEBORAH BRAZIL, депутаты
12 окружной прокурор, ДЛЯ ЛЮДЕЙ
13 штата Калифорния.
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СУДЬЯ: слушания ПО ДЕЛУ люди против CONRAD Роберт Мюррей, доктор Мюррей отствует. Его представляют два адвоката MR. FLANAGAN и MR. GOURJIAN. Интересы людей представляют два адвоката MR. WALGREN и MS. BRAZIL. MR. FLANAGAN отказ доктора Мюррей присутствовать в соответствии со статьей 977 Уголовного кодекса CALIFORNIA?
MR. FLANAGAN:Да, ваша честь.
СУДЬЯ: Спасибо. Как идет передача информации о ходе расследования и других вопросов?
MR. WALGREN: мы делаем, ваша честь.
СУДЬЯ: MR. WALGREN??
MR. WALGREN: Благодарю вас, ваше высокоблагородие.
СУДЬЯ: Добрый день.
MR. WALGREN: Добрый день, Ваша честь. Мы предоставили защите некоторые дополнительные материалы сегодня относительно дополнительных бесед со свидетелями и обновленные C.V. экспертов. Адвокат защиты передал нам отчеты 2 их экспертов. Я полагаю, что есть еще несколько свидетелей из списка свидетелей защиты, где доказательства существенны, но пока на сегодняшний день они получили отчеты этих 2 экспертов.
СУДЬЯ: Какова позиция людей, может защита не добросовестно относится к выполнению своих обязательств по раскрытию?
MR. WALGREN: Я думаю, эти отчеты были важны для стороны обвинения, и мы рады, что их получили. Но что касается количества свидетелей в списке защиты, то пока у нас отсутствуют материалы. Мы не знаем, проводила защита со свидетелями беседы или они находятся сейчас в процессе задокументирования показаний свидетелей. Я не знаю статуса других свидетелей.
СУДЬЯ: Могу ли я узнать MR. FLANAGAN какое положение в раскрытии своей информации?
MR. FLANAGAN: Мы предоставили отчеты 2 экспертов стороне обвинения сегодня, один датируется 3 марта, другие датированы 8 марта. Мы их только получили, передали обвинению и возможно эти эксперты будут единственными свидетелями в этом деле, если только из офиса коронера им не передадут слайды и не разрешат им обследовать то, что у них есть. Я пытался связаться с Элиссой Флик (ELISSA FLEAK) в течении 2 недель. Мне она не перезвонила, возможно она в отпуске. Я не знаю. Я передал стороне обвинения материалы по 2 экспертам, но у нас есть еще один эксперт, который не может дать показания, пока не увидит информацию, к что находится в распоряжении канцелярии коронера. Вы знаете, мы довольно долго просили их о выдаче информации.
СУДЬЯ : MR. FLANAGAN, вы утверждаете, что вы пытались связаться с мисс Флик и попытки были безуспешными. Вы звонили коронеру, сказали, что "мы пытаемся получить информацию из вашего офиса" и что вы не получили удовлетворительного ответа?
MR. FLANAGAN: Я собираюсь это сделать.
СУДЬЯ: Что именно ЭТО?
MR. FLANAGAN: У нас есть эксперт доктор PAUL WHITE, а также мы предоставили 15-16 страничный отчет доктора HARASZTI , он эксперт по зависимости и фармаколог.
СУДЬЯ: На суде от защиты будет всего 2 свидетеля?
MR. FLANAGAN: 2, может 3.
СУДЬЯ: Вы дали соответсвующую информацию о докторах WHITE и как его HARASZTI?
MR. FLANAGAN: Да. Есть еще один доктор, коронер из GALVESTON, он потенциальный свидетель из Канады. Но мы не могжем давать свои заключения, они хотят видеть слайды осмотра мистера Джексона.
СУДЬЯ: Я подумаю, если мисс Флик не появится, у нее на это должны быть причины, она может быть больна, в отпуске, может не отвечать на звонки, но в офисе коронера есть другие сотрудники, которые, как я думаю, могут помочь MR. FLANAGAN.
СУДЬЯ:У обвинения есть ли какая-либо информация?
MR. WALGREN: Нет, но я предлагал MR. FLANAGAN позвонить и выяснить ее статус, но в настоящее время у меня нет информации.
MR. FLANAGAN: Да с нашей стороны 9 свидетелей.Мы вызывали LINTEMOOT, FU из офиса коронера, ROMO из департамента шерифа Санта Барбары и многих людей, которых они считают враждебными. FU был аналитиком, мы знаем, кто он. Мы вызвали его повесткой. У нас повестки для 35 людей. Мы разговаривали с большинством из них. Некоторые очень враждебны. Мы пытаемся вызвать всех людей из охраны, которые были в доме в тот день. Мы давали в прошлом показания стороне обвинения.
Есть еще один вопрос. Записи камер слежения. Мы бы хотели иметь эти записи на жестких дисках, где бы они ни были и мы без понятия, где их достать.
MR. WALGREN: Вообще то я лично сегодня разговаривал с Черноффым и MR. FLANAGAN и я сказал им, что у них есть все видео камер слежения, которые были загружены. Я приказал детективам полиции ЛОС-АНДЖЕЛЕСА заняться этим и получить дополнительную информацию из компании по безопасности, которая устанавливала систему, выяснить, есть ли пути\каналы исследовать там. Я надеюсь получить результаты в течении дня или двух. Проблема в том, что содержимое камер слежения или системы безопасноси не была собственностью Майкла Джексона или кого-либо из его приближенных. Это был арендованный дом, оборудование и установка, все было сделано хозяином дома, который сдавал дом в аренду. Поэтому полиция ЛОС-АНДЖЕЛЕСА работает над этим. Как я уже говорил, я ожидаю получить информацию для защиты к завтрашнему дню.
СУДЬЯ: Опять, эта информация должна была быть раскрыта давным давно.
MR. WALGREN: Она была известна. Год назад.
СУДЬЯ: Мы говорим о том, что было загружено, а как насчет сырых материалов, которыми владела третья сторона? Они все еще во владении третьей стороны?
MR. WALGREN: Я не думаю. Я не думаю, что они существуют где-то, но я приказал полиции наблюдать дальше, чтобы я мог дать более конкретный ответ.
СУДЬЯ: Завтра передать всю информацию по записям стороне защиты, это может быть очень важно.
FLANAGAN: Это может быть важно. Мы не знаем. Мы не видели, что там.
СУДЬЯ :Нам нужно это. MR WALGREN, у вас этого тоже нет?
MR WALGREN: Мы не владеем записями.
СУДЬЯ: Камеры записывали 24 часа, внешнюю часть дома, неизвестно, сколько по времени было записано.
MR. WALGREN: То, что было загружено, там минуты.
СУДЬЯ : Мне очень интересно, где же во всем мире находится другое видео, если оно есть, может быть его и нет...
Отредактировано Fortune (12-03-2011 18:43:38)